Some good questions today some of which I have a view on:
I was and remain one of the angry fans relating to the nature of Miedema's departure. This is a world class player stabbed in the back and wound will take some time to heal.
LWM and Russo are two of the best things about last season without doubt in my mind but I never saw Patten as being in the same mould or having the same class or potential.
I also believe that Kuhl, Gio Reid and the like should be put in a position within the squad where they can be called upon and made use of in what is going to be a busy season with many games. They have all shown how good they are. Before Teyah Goldie's double ACL she was billed as a future great as far as I remember so give the girl a chance.
I have always thought in the last four or five seasons that they had a 'corner problem' but I cannot get away from the fact that we employ either the wrong takers or wrong type of corner, rarely aimed at the likes of Russo or Williamson but, invariably, the goalkeeper. It needs work on the training ground not some expensove dead ball coach. (I could do that for half the money!!)
Finally, back to a remark I read from Jamie Spengher when reporting about a Lionesses match she talked about Wiegman seeming to want Russo to be what they no longher had: Ellen White.
They are two different strikers and the point that hit home for me was when she said: "LET RUSSO BE RUSSO." That should apply to club and country because I think she had a stand out first season and WILL improve for the second one and beyond. Thank you
Miedema wasn't 'stabbed in the back' and phrasing it like that creates both an unfair and untrue narrative that's very damaging. Everything I've heard, everything we are seeing now, points to a mutual decision that was even partly instigated by the player herself. Simply because negotiations didn't take place doesn't mean talks didn't and there were discussions with the player and her team about it for at least half of the season. It wasn't clean but it wasn't as messy as people are making it out to be.
The idea that she didn't know what was happening is crazy. Fans have been up in arms about it pretty unfairly because of some whispers, a video that showed some heated emotions in a stressful point, and an article in a Dutch paper that was so clearly put out by her team that anyone could see it. There aren't any facts to support that idea that she was 'stabbed in the back' and while it's the easiest narrative to put out there because it reinforces some people's existing dislike for Jonas and paints Viv in the best possible light, I'm hoping it gets retired soon. And hope you can see that too and come out on the other side of it.
Your saying "well said" implies that you know more about this matter than you have thus far been prepared to say. Only days ago you expressed nothing more than an opinion but your agreement with what reads like an inside story seems to be at odds with your earlier uncertainty. I think allowing this player to leave is a big mistake, others, maybe including you do not, that's football. That is the nature of the opinions we are all entitled to.
I think it’s absolutely fine to disagree with the decision- most people do. But I think you do need to know more detail to say she was ‘stabbed in the back.’ That’s the phrase here that implies inside knowledge.
I simply voiced my view that I was not happy at her departure, not knowing the real story like you seem to. If you and Tim are happy to see that player lleave the club, fair enough.
"Stab in the back" is a turn of phrase with no knives being used. It may create unfair and untrue narrative or be damaging; who knows or actually, in this case, cares? We do not all have the same view on the matter. You know the inside story and I don't so lucky you.
This has nothing to do with Jonas per ce. As Tim has stated a couple of times next season is make or break for him. He has to win the WSL.
You seem to care immensely for someone who says it doesn’t matter what narrative is out there. I may know a little BTS but pretty much everything I said is what’s been out in the public domain and is available for consumption.
I think the narrative out there being damaging actually matters a lot. It matters to the club’s, manager’s, and executives’ reputations. And in a sport where often the difference between choosing one club or another is the reputation of the club and the people in it, it matters.
I wouldn’t say I’m happy that she’s leaving, but I’m at peace with it. I’ve found that fighting against the reality of it only makes one more bitter and angry, and so I’ve accepted it. She’s left the team and will join a new one. It is what it is. The journey of players at a club ends, sometimes earlier than the fans would like it to. And sometimes that end of the journey is about the football on the pitch, sometimes it’s about the player’s place in the dressing room, sometimes it’s both. This one has come to a very natural ending and that’s for the better for both sides. We may not like it, but it is fact. Eviscerating the club over and over for the decision does nothing but make us miserable.
Next season may be make or break but saying that he HAS to win the WSL is a bit much. We have to compete strongly for the title, that is clear. Win it outright, less so. I’d love it, absolutely, but I don’t think Tim’s said that it’s a be-all, end-all, and I don’t see it that way either. If we do that, if we do well in Europe, if we win a trophy, that can be counted as a successful season.
To be fair I think the "stabbed in the back" phrase might be the main issue. It implies a betrayal or people not acting in good faith, and there isn't any evidence of that.
We're all entitled to our own opinions, but not our own facts.
Some good questions today some of which I have a view on:
I was and remain one of the angry fans relating to the nature of Miedema's departure. This is a world class player stabbed in the back and wound will take some time to heal.
LWM and Russo are two of the best things about last season without doubt in my mind but I never saw Patten as being in the same mould or having the same class or potential.
I also believe that Kuhl, Gio Reid and the like should be put in a position within the squad where they can be called upon and made use of in what is going to be a busy season with many games. They have all shown how good they are. Before Teyah Goldie's double ACL she was billed as a future great as far as I remember so give the girl a chance.
I have always thought in the last four or five seasons that they had a 'corner problem' but I cannot get away from the fact that we employ either the wrong takers or wrong type of corner, rarely aimed at the likes of Russo or Williamson but, invariably, the goalkeeper. It needs work on the training ground not some expensove dead ball coach. (I could do that for half the money!!)
Finally, back to a remark I read from Jamie Spengher when reporting about a Lionesses match she talked about Wiegman seeming to want Russo to be what they no longher had: Ellen White.
They are two different strikers and the point that hit home for me was when she said: "LET RUSSO BE RUSSO." That should apply to club and country because I think she had a stand out first season and WILL improve for the second one and beyond. Thank you
Miedema wasn't 'stabbed in the back' and phrasing it like that creates both an unfair and untrue narrative that's very damaging. Everything I've heard, everything we are seeing now, points to a mutual decision that was even partly instigated by the player herself. Simply because negotiations didn't take place doesn't mean talks didn't and there were discussions with the player and her team about it for at least half of the season. It wasn't clean but it wasn't as messy as people are making it out to be.
The idea that she didn't know what was happening is crazy. Fans have been up in arms about it pretty unfairly because of some whispers, a video that showed some heated emotions in a stressful point, and an article in a Dutch paper that was so clearly put out by her team that anyone could see it. There aren't any facts to support that idea that she was 'stabbed in the back' and while it's the easiest narrative to put out there because it reinforces some people's existing dislike for Jonas and paints Viv in the best possible light, I'm hoping it gets retired soon. And hope you can see that too and come out on the other side of it.
Well said
Your saying "well said" implies that you know more about this matter than you have thus far been prepared to say. Only days ago you expressed nothing more than an opinion but your agreement with what reads like an inside story seems to be at odds with your earlier uncertainty. I think allowing this player to leave is a big mistake, others, maybe including you do not, that's football. That is the nature of the opinions we are all entitled to.
I think it’s absolutely fine to disagree with the decision- most people do. But I think you do need to know more detail to say she was ‘stabbed in the back.’ That’s the phrase here that implies inside knowledge.
I simply voiced my view that I was not happy at her departure, not knowing the real story like you seem to. If you and Tim are happy to see that player lleave the club, fair enough.
"Stab in the back" is a turn of phrase with no knives being used. It may create unfair and untrue narrative or be damaging; who knows or actually, in this case, cares? We do not all have the same view on the matter. You know the inside story and I don't so lucky you.
This has nothing to do with Jonas per ce. As Tim has stated a couple of times next season is make or break for him. He has to win the WSL.
You seem to care immensely for someone who says it doesn’t matter what narrative is out there. I may know a little BTS but pretty much everything I said is what’s been out in the public domain and is available for consumption.
I think the narrative out there being damaging actually matters a lot. It matters to the club’s, manager’s, and executives’ reputations. And in a sport where often the difference between choosing one club or another is the reputation of the club and the people in it, it matters.
I wouldn’t say I’m happy that she’s leaving, but I’m at peace with it. I’ve found that fighting against the reality of it only makes one more bitter and angry, and so I’ve accepted it. She’s left the team and will join a new one. It is what it is. The journey of players at a club ends, sometimes earlier than the fans would like it to. And sometimes that end of the journey is about the football on the pitch, sometimes it’s about the player’s place in the dressing room, sometimes it’s both. This one has come to a very natural ending and that’s for the better for both sides. We may not like it, but it is fact. Eviscerating the club over and over for the decision does nothing but make us miserable.
Next season may be make or break but saying that he HAS to win the WSL is a bit much. We have to compete strongly for the title, that is clear. Win it outright, less so. I’d love it, absolutely, but I don’t think Tim’s said that it’s a be-all, end-all, and I don’t see it that way either. If we do that, if we do well in Europe, if we win a trophy, that can be counted as a successful season.
To be fair I think the "stabbed in the back" phrase might be the main issue. It implies a betrayal or people not acting in good faith, and there isn't any evidence of that.
We're all entitled to our own opinions, but not our own facts.